Comments on: Opt-In Opt-Out Salvation http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/10/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/ Faith, Art, Politics, and the Emerging Church Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Alan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/10/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-3935 Alan Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:45:39 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/10/05/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/#comment-3935 Thanks for pointing that out to me. I've temporarily restored the site, but if participation does not happen on the site soon, I will take it down. Content Management Systems often require security updates, and with as many modifications as I made to that site, it's time consuming. If others start using the site more, I'll make the updates. If not, I can't use all that time for a site that barely gets used... Thanks for pointing that out to me. I’ve temporarily restored the site, but if participation does not happen on the site soon, I will take it down.

Content Management Systems often require security updates, and with as many modifications as I made to that site, it’s time consuming. If others start using the site more, I’ll make the updates. If not, I can’t use all that time for a site that barely gets used…

]]> By: suzanne http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/10/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-3934 suzanne Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:05:50 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/10/05/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/#comment-3934 hey alan -- do you know how long spiritual-formation.com has been hacked by anti-semitic hackers? i cant get to the site anymore... hey alan — do you know how long spiritual-formation.com has been hacked by anti-semitic hackers? i cant get to the site anymore…

]]> By: Brian http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/10/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-3919 Brian Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:01:49 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/10/05/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/#comment-3919 Alan, It's amazing how w alle have different perspectives on things. I was given Spencer's book and thought it was about universalism. While I thought it was a good book, that was not the subject that I thought was most prominent in the book. I would have liked to see more about universalism in the book. I'd like to know where you have questions/disagreements with Spencer. I do find one of your comments very interesting. You say you've felt the book is too centered on where you go when you die. For someone like me, raised to believe in a place of eternal torment in a weird mix of Calvinism and Arminianism and never SURE of whether I'd be consigned to this place or not, you really can't spend too much time talking about the universal love of God. Since Christianity has spent so much time and energy focused on this very subject (where you go when you die), I think it's important that people who don't believe that God will either let the vast majority of people slip into Eternal Torment or has predestined the vast majority of people to Eternal Torment make that position known. For the most part, modern (or postmodern, if you will), non-Christians find either of those positions absurd. Peace, Brian Alan,

It’s amazing how w alle have different perspectives on things. I was given Spencer’s book and thought it was about universalism. While I thought it was a good book, that was not the subject that I thought was most prominent in the book. I would have liked to see more about universalism in the book.

I’d like to know where you have questions/disagreements with Spencer. I do find one of your comments very interesting. You say you’ve felt the book is too centered on where you go when you die. For someone like me, raised to believe in a place of eternal torment in a weird mix of Calvinism and Arminianism and never SURE of whether I’d be consigned to this place or not, you really can’t spend too much time talking about the universal love of God. Since Christianity has spent so much time and energy focused on this very subject (where you go when you die), I think it’s important that people who don’t believe that God will either let the vast majority of people slip into Eternal Torment or has predestined the vast majority of people to Eternal Torment make that position known. For the most part, modern (or postmodern, if you will), non-Christians find either of those positions absurd.

Peace,
Brian

]]> By: Nathan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/10/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-3916 Nathan Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:27:55 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/10/05/opt-in-opt-out-salvation/#comment-3916 So...when Spencer says he's a universalist that believes in hell, I take that to mean he's a Christian Universalist. The Universalist position is deeply misunderstood and overshadowed by the Unitarian view of it. I wish more people would read the Evangelical Universalist by Gregory McDonald (pseudonym). It is a great layout of arguing for a Christan universalism grounded in the texts of the Christian faith. The author admits that universalism is a minority report in the history of Christian theology, but he makes a great case that Universalism in itself cannot be dismissed as necessarily non-Christian. It might be good to encourage people to read it. Best, Nathan So…when Spencer says he’s a universalist that believes in hell, I take that to mean he’s a Christian Universalist.

The Universalist position is deeply misunderstood and overshadowed by the Unitarian view of it.

I wish more people would read the Evangelical Universalist by Gregory McDonald (pseudonym). It is a great layout of arguing for a Christan universalism grounded in the texts of the Christian faith. The author admits that universalism is a minority report in the history of Christian theology, but he makes a great case that Universalism in itself cannot be dismissed as necessarily non-Christian.

It might be good to encourage people to read it.

Best,

Nathan

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