Comments on: Faith, Reason, and Feelings in the Emerging Church http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/ Faith, Art, Politics, and the Emerging Church Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: bill http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2008 bill Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:03:38 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2008 I started to write a comment but it became a blog post. I titled it "Preaching the Bad News" and you can read and comment on it at http://faithcommons.org/node/522 Alan, We must listen and learn but stay the course. You're an inspiration. Keep up the good work. Cennan, Keep up the questioning. You make us think and keep us on our toes. But remember that God is in control. All who seek will find. I started to write a comment but it became a blog post. I titled it “Preaching the Bad News” and you can read and comment on it at http://faithcommons.org/node/522

Alan,

We must listen and learn but stay the course. You’re an inspiration. Keep up the good work.

Cennan,

Keep up the questioning. You make us think and keep us on our toes. But remember that God is in control.

All who seek will find.

]]> By: Cennan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2005 Cennan Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:52:17 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2005 Wow. That's a very dangerous thing to be doing spiritually. Wow. That’s a very dangerous thing to be doing spiritually.

]]> By: Aj http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2004 Aj Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:37:25 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2004 "Often time people will stand against you and say that it doesn’t make any sense. Answer – “That’s because you are dealing out of your head and not your heart. If you were listening with your heart you would get it.” It is vitally important that each one of us learns to live from our heart not just our head. . . The antidote to my head is my heart so I have to practice bringing my heart before the Father. Think of meditation as a room with a door at either end. Whatever door I enter into meditation by (head or heart) I will exit by the other door. If I enter through my head, I’ll exit through my heart (and visa versa)." Words from Graham Cooke at a conference. Seemed applicable to what you were saying, both with meditation/contemplation, and with balance. “Often time people will stand against you and say that it doesn’t make any sense.

Answer – “That’s because you are dealing out of your head and not your heart. If you were listening with your heart you would get it.”

It is vitally important that each one of us learns to live from our heart not just our head. . .

The antidote to my head is my heart so I have to practice bringing my heart before the Father.

Think of meditation as a room with a door at either end.

Whatever door I enter into meditation by (head or heart) I will exit by the other door.

If I enter through my head, I’ll exit through my heart (and visa versa).”

Words from Graham Cooke at a conference. Seemed applicable to what you were saying, both with meditation/contemplation, and with balance.

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]]> By: Alan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2002 Alan Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:56:49 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2002 I never advocated zen meditation. I never advocated zen meditation.

]]> By: Cennan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2001 Cennan Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:23:12 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2001 Alan, "Meditate" as on God's Word requires one to use their reasoning skills. Zen is counter to this, and counter to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind." The kind of meditation advocated in Eastern relgions leads to a psychological shift in brain chemistry, and not to mention a 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "delusion" sent by God. It would seem to be a very dubious place to place oneself in. I would quess Jason would agree with that. Alan, “Meditate” as on God’s Word requires one to use their reasoning skills. Zen is counter to this, and counter to “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind.”

The kind of meditation advocated in Eastern relgions leads to a psychological shift in brain chemistry, and not to mention a 2 Thessalonians 2:11 “delusion” sent by God. It would seem to be a very dubious place to place oneself in. I would quess Jason would agree with that.

]]> By: Jason Robertson http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-2000 Jason Robertson Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:11:12 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-2000 Alan, I am grateful for you questions. They are extremely important and go to the very heart of our Christian lives. I have answered your questions at Fide-O. Please keep in touch. Alan, I am grateful for you questions. They are extremely important and go to the very heart of our Christian lives. I have answered your questions at Fide-O. Please keep in touch.

]]> By: Alan http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1999 Alan Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:44:54 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/19/faith-reason-and-feelings-in-the-emerging-church/#comment-1999 I think he meditated, because the Psalms tell us to. Psalm 4:4 Meditate in your heart upon your bed, and be still. And how about a little silence: Psalm 62:1 My soul waits in silence for God only; From Him is my salvation. Jesus was alone in solitude and silence... for 40 days at one point. And in the garden of Gethsemane? Yep, there, too. Especially since he'd go away and the disciples would fall asleep. Spiritual disciplines are vital to the Christian's life, as by practicing them we follow after the practices of our Lord. I think he meditated, because the Psalms tell us to.

Psalm 4:4 Meditate in your heart upon your bed, and be still.

And how about a little silence:

Psalm 62:1 My soul waits in silence for God only; From Him is my salvation.

Jesus was alone in solitude and silence… for 40 days at one point. And in the garden of Gethsemane? Yep, there, too. Especially since he’d go away and the disciples would fall asleep.

Spiritual disciplines are vital to the Christian’s life, as by practicing them we follow after the practices of our Lord.

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And you won’t find any evidence that Jesus of Nazareth meditated, and that is clearly what “silence” is.

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