Comments on: After Münster: Two Kinds of Faith http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/ Faith, Art, Politics, and the Emerging Church Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: The Blind Beggar http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-2510 The Blind Beggar Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:48:33 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/28/after-mnster-two-kinds-of-faith/#comment-2510 <strong>A Random Walk</strong> Sorry for not posting lately, but I’ve been traveling. I was able to keep up with my blog reading and found a couple worth noting. Brad at 21st Century Reformation has a nice post on sanctification titled “Coming out of Denial and Discove... A Random Walk

Sorry for not posting lately, but I’ve been traveling. I was able to keep up with my blog reading and found a couple worth noting.
Brad at 21st Century Reformation has a nice post on sanctification titled “Coming out of Denial and Discove…

]]> By: Will http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-2509 Will Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:51:25 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/28/after-mnster-two-kinds-of-faith/#comment-2509 Just as a note of clarification, Münster is a city in present day Germany where the event took place, and Thomas Muntzer is a theologian. There are some similarities (both advocated re-baptism, had no problem with use of violence within their anabaptism, and saw greater society as corrupt and hell-bound) but their connection isn't all that consistent. Muntzer was a disenchanted Lutheran, while the leaders of the Münster rebellion were followers of Jan Matthjis, a follower of Melchior Hoffman, an apocalyptic disenchanted ex-Lutheran. Also, Muntzer has since been embraced by contemporary Marxists as a hero of the people, and Münster still hangs their cages from their cathedral, but their tourism is based on the number of their medieval style buildings. Just as a note of clarification, Münster is a city in present day Germany where the event took place, and Thomas Muntzer is a theologian. There are some similarities (both advocated re-baptism, had no problem with use of violence within their anabaptism, and saw greater society as corrupt and hell-bound) but their connection isn’t all that consistent. Muntzer was a disenchanted Lutheran, while the leaders of the Münster rebellion were followers of Jan Matthjis, a follower of Melchior Hoffman, an apocalyptic disenchanted ex-Lutheran.
Also, Muntzer has since been embraced by contemporary Marxists as a hero of the people, and Münster still hangs their cages from their cathedral, but their tourism is based on the number of their medieval style buildings.

]]> By: JoeBum http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-2496 JoeBum Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:37:49 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/28/after-mnster-two-kinds-of-faith/#comment-2496 Right, Roger, I understand that, but just because you re-baptize does not make you Anabaptist in the true sense of the word. anabaptist was used as a word of derrogation to anyone who re-bapitzed. Helwys and Smyth were not Anabaptists, but they certainly re-baptized. Before, Anabaptists formed as a movement of sorts, (or denomination if that fits) there were precursors in theology that influenced them; ie, Karlstadt and Munster. Thanks Roger, hopefully this clarifies. Right, Roger, I understand that, but just because you re-baptize does not make you Anabaptist in the true sense of the word.

anabaptist was used as a word of derrogation to anyone who re-bapitzed. Helwys and Smyth were not Anabaptists, but they certainly re-baptized.

Before, Anabaptists formed as a movement of sorts, (or denomination if that fits) there were precursors in theology that influenced them; ie, Karlstadt and Munster. Thanks Roger, hopefully this clarifies.

]]> By: Roger http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-2494 Roger Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:37:45 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/28/after-mnster-two-kinds-of-faith/#comment-2494 JoeBum: "Anabaptist" means "re-baptizer". If they practiced believers baptism, then they were anabaptist. Mennonites in general are a peacable folk, but anabaptism encompasses more than just Mennonism. JoeBum: “Anabaptist” means “re-baptizer”. If they practiced believers baptism, then they were anabaptist.

Mennonites in general are a peacable folk, but anabaptism encompasses more than just Mennonism.

]]> By: JoeBum http://www.alanhartung.com/2006/02/after-munster-two-kinds-of-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-2486 JoeBum Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:34:19 +0000 http://www.alanhartung.com/blog/index.php/2006/02/28/after-mnster-two-kinds-of-faith/#comment-2486 We are reading Anabaptist theology in one of my classes. I think it is interesting how loosely tied with Anabaptists Munster was. He is one of the few that have been forgotten that the Anabaptists can both claim and disclaim (just like Karlstadt- who stood in direct opposition to the violent method of Munster.) Also, Munster believed that God revealed himself directly to the heart through the Spirit, thus eliminating the authority of scripture. Karlstadt, on the other hand, was sola scriptura, like most other reformers; and he believed in nonviolent resistance. The correct heading htat these two reformers belong under, I believe, is not Anabapitst, but "radical reformers," in that they differed with the magisterial reformers in many ways, but were not Anabaptists (only loosely connected, and somewhat influential.) We are reading Anabaptist theology in one of my classes. I think it is interesting how loosely tied with Anabaptists Munster was. He is one of the few that have been forgotten that the Anabaptists can both claim and disclaim (just like Karlstadt- who stood in direct opposition to the violent method of Munster.)

Also, Munster believed that God revealed himself directly to the heart through the Spirit, thus eliminating the authority of scripture. Karlstadt, on the other hand, was sola scriptura, like most other reformers; and he believed in nonviolent resistance.

The correct heading htat these two reformers belong under, I believe, is not Anabapitst, but “radical reformers,” in that they differed with the magisterial reformers in many ways, but were not Anabaptists (only loosely connected, and somewhat influential.)

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