Comments on: pastoral perks http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/ Faith, Art, Politics, and the Emerging Church Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jackie Wyse http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/comment-page-1/#comment-490 Jackie Wyse Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=422#comment-490 Sure, pastors can abuse the system and be lazy. But so can people who work 9 to 5 office jobs if they send personal e-mails or blog or post at the Ooze during their 8 hours of work time!<br /> <br /> I disagree with the idea that if we're having fun or enjoying something, it's social and not work. Why does work have to equal drudgery? Why can't work be creative and life-giving? If our pastors are living healthy lives, we should celebrate that and them. And we should work to change society so that more jobs are healthy and generous, like pastoring can be at its best. Sure, pastors can abuse the system and be lazy. But so can people who work 9 to 5 office jobs if they send personal e-mails or blog or post at the Ooze during their 8 hours of work time!

I disagree with the idea that if we’re having fun or enjoying something, it’s social and not work. Why does work have to equal drudgery? Why can’t work be creative and life-giving? If our pastors are living healthy lives, we should celebrate that and them. And we should work to change society so that more jobs are healthy and generous, like pastoring can be at its best.

]]> By: tammy http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/comment-page-1/#comment-491 tammy Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=422#comment-491 i understand this Alan. pastoring was hard in some ways, but being your own boss is such a benefit. while pastors have to answer to the congregation or board at times, it's not the same as answering to a boss. not knowing if i can get a day off work, even when it's for something important ... that's just not a good thing.<br /> <br /> there's a lot of benefits to pastoring full time. if you can keep it from consuming your whole personal life. i understand this Alan. pastoring was hard in some ways, but being your own boss is such a benefit. while pastors have to answer to the congregation or board at times, it’s not the same as answering to a boss. not knowing if i can get a day off work, even when it’s for something important … that’s just not a good thing.

there’s a lot of benefits to pastoring full time. if you can keep it from consuming your whole personal life.

]]> By: Mike http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/comment-page-1/#comment-492 Mike Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=422#comment-492 I guess we're looking at a different argument. I'm saying a pastor is a differnt job, and you're saying a pastor shouldn't be a job. =)<br /> <br /> An apostle and a pastor perform the same duties in that they were/are working to spread the testimony of Jesus. Both had side duties that they wish(ed) they could shed.<br /> <br /> What about 1 Corinthians 9:14? It says that those who preach and teach should be paid. How can it be wrong that a group of people decide that the same person should preach and teach?<br /> <br /> You are correct that we should all be "on call". And I can see the role of a pastor being an excuse for many people who aren't willing to offer that type of commitment. ("..we have a pastor to do that..") And that is too bad.<br /> <br /> Ya,I've picked up on some of the hints you are anti-establishment. =) I enjoy hearing a different side than what I'm used to. It challenges me to look further into why I believe what I do. I guess we’re looking at a different argument. I’m saying a pastor is a differnt job, and you’re saying a pastor shouldn’t be a job. =)

An apostle and a pastor perform the same duties in that they were/are working to spread the testimony of Jesus. Both had side duties that they wish(ed) they could shed.

What about 1 Corinthians 9:14? It says that those who preach and teach should be paid. How can it be wrong that a group of people decide that the same person should preach and teach?

You are correct that we should all be “on call”. And I can see the role of a pastor being an excuse for many people who aren’t willing to offer that type of commitment. (“..we have a pastor to do that..”) And that is too bad.

Ya,I’ve picked up on some of the hints you are anti-establishment. =) I enjoy hearing a different side than what I’m used to. It challenges me to look further into why I believe what I do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/comment-page-1/#comment-493 Anonymous Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=422#comment-493 Mike -<br /> <br /> Would you equate the role of an apostle establishing the Church to that of a pastor of a local church? I sure wouldn't.<br /> <br /> And really, we're all on call in the body of Christ. But when we pay someone, we expect them to be available rather than hope they'll be available.<br /> <br /> Of course, if you know me through this blog and podcast, you'll know I'm very anti-establishment. I think the role of the pastor within the establishment is seriously flawed. Mike -

Would you equate the role of an apostle establishing the Church to that of a pastor of a local church? I sure wouldn’t.

And really, we’re all on call in the body of Christ. But when we pay someone, we expect them to be available rather than hope they’ll be available.

Of course, if you know me through this blog and podcast, you’ll know I’m very anti-establishment. I think the role of the pastor within the establishment is seriously flawed.

]]> By: Mike http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/pastoral_perks/comment-page-1/#comment-494 Mike Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=422#comment-494 He also wrote "this is a very one-sided blog". <br /> <br /> Acts 6 touches on this. "We apostles should spend our time preaching and teaching the word of God, not administering a food program"<br /> <br /> Sometimes that teaching is going to be in more of a "social" setting. And it is going to be in the evenings. <br /> <br /> A pastor is always "on call". Whether or not it's a Ned Flander's type parishioner or a hospital calling. And a pastor is always under the microscope. <br /> <br /> And what's this about pastor's get getting complaints? They got them in Acts 6 and they get them today. "...the service is too long, the music is too loud, fast, slow, etc, etc" <br /> <br /> I'm not a pastor, so I may be way off the mark. Pastors may get some perks like that, but they have a MUCH different (harder?) job than most of the rest of us. He also wrote “this is a very one-sided blog”.

Acts 6 touches on this. “We apostles should spend our time preaching and teaching the word of God, not administering a food program”

Sometimes that teaching is going to be in more of a “social” setting. And it is going to be in the evenings.

A pastor is always “on call”. Whether or not it’s a Ned Flander’s type parishioner or a hospital calling. And a pastor is always under the microscope.

And what’s this about pastor’s get getting complaints? They got them in Acts 6 and they get them today. “…the service is too long, the music is too loud, fast, slow, etc, etc”

I’m not a pastor, so I may be way off the mark. Pastors may get some perks like that, but they have a MUCH different (harder?) job than most of the rest of us.

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