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	<title>Comments on: Core Issue #1 &#8211; Why there&#8217;s an emerging church</title>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/core-issue-1-why-theres-an-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny asked some questions I answered on his blog. I&#039;m reposting my comment on his blog here:

First off, you got the link right but the name wrong... it&#039;s Alan Hartung... :D

Okay, I address some of your concerns, I think, in some of the other core issues posts. There are five now at A Different Perspective.

But to give you a more direct response, and to try to give a couple shots at the questions you&#039;ve been asking for a long time... here goes.

&quot;Is the switch to relativist thinking a good thing?&quot;

That depends on whether you&#039;re talking about the philosophical version of relativism or the way it works out practically in culture. Practically, the culture is shifting towards a more perspectival approach. The perspectival emphasizes the impossibility of understanding something completely from a limited perspective.

I think this is a good thing, because it&#039;s accurate. Problems occur when the approach is taken to the extreme and the conclusion becomes you can&#039;t really know anything at all. The church can and should shift from its rigid stance of objectivity (which is a fallacy) to a perspectival approach.

It would be bad to embrace true relativism, but what is practiced in the beliefs of the culture is not true relativism. It&#039;s perspectivism.

&quot;How would we change the church is such a way that activity is valued over teaching? When would this be going to far to the point where teaching takes a back seat to service?&quot;

As I suggested in the original post and also in my podcast (War on the Sermon), removing teaching as the central activity of the church would be a huge step in valuing activity.

To your second question, I&#039;m struggling to find the right words. I guess I&#039;ll just ask a simple question. Can you read the gospels and believe that Jesus would think teaching is more important than serving?

I think the Church has gone too far in valuing teaching over service. It&#039;s time to correct that. Good teaching, in fact, would instruct us to serve and that is more valuable than having everything &quot;right.&quot;

Again, I deal with clergy issues in later core issues posts. I would say the clergy definitely needs reformed. I question the numerous staff positions many churches have. When there are pros doing the job, individual parts of the body don&#039;t see why they should do it...

On a final note, you should learn how to use trackbacks. You&#039;ll get better traffic back then just a comment on a blog saying check out my post for comments. I&#039;m not sure how they work in blogger, or I&#039;d tell ya.

Thanks for engaging this issue on your blog. I hope APU is as good or better of an experience for you as it was for me. Tell Yarchin I said hello...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny asked some questions I answered on his blog. I&#8217;m reposting my comment on his blog here:</p>
<p>First off, you got the link right but the name wrong&#8230; it&#8217;s Alan Hartung&#8230; <img src='http://www.alanhartung.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Okay, I address some of your concerns, I think, in some of the other core issues posts. There are five now at A Different Perspective.</p>
<p>But to give you a more direct response, and to try to give a couple shots at the questions you&#8217;ve been asking for a long time&#8230; here goes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is the switch to relativist thinking a good thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends on whether you&#8217;re talking about the philosophical version of relativism or the way it works out practically in culture. Practically, the culture is shifting towards a more perspectival approach. The perspectival emphasizes the impossibility of understanding something completely from a limited perspective.</p>
<p>I think this is a good thing, because it&#8217;s accurate. Problems occur when the approach is taken to the extreme and the conclusion becomes you can&#8217;t really know anything at all. The church can and should shift from its rigid stance of objectivity (which is a fallacy) to a perspectival approach.</p>
<p>It would be bad to embrace true relativism, but what is practiced in the beliefs of the culture is not true relativism. It&#8217;s perspectivism.</p>
<p>&#8220;How would we change the church is such a way that activity is valued over teaching? When would this be going to far to the point where teaching takes a back seat to service?&#8221;</p>
<p>As I suggested in the original post and also in my podcast (War on the Sermon), removing teaching as the central activity of the church would be a huge step in valuing activity.</p>
<p>To your second question, I&#8217;m struggling to find the right words. I guess I&#8217;ll just ask a simple question. Can you read the gospels and believe that Jesus would think teaching is more important than serving?</p>
<p>I think the Church has gone too far in valuing teaching over service. It&#8217;s time to correct that. Good teaching, in fact, would instruct us to serve and that is more valuable than having everything &#8220;right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I deal with clergy issues in later core issues posts. I would say the clergy definitely needs reformed. I question the numerous staff positions many churches have. When there are pros doing the job, individual parts of the body don&#8217;t see why they should do it&#8230;</p>
<p>On a final note, you should learn how to use trackbacks. You&#8217;ll get better traffic back then just a comment on a blog saying check out my post for comments. I&#8217;m not sure how they work in blogger, or I&#8217;d tell ya.</p>
<p>Thanks for engaging this issue on your blog. I hope APU is as good or better of an experience for you as it was for me. Tell Yarchin I said hello&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/core-issue-1-why-theres-an-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See my blog for questions regarding this post.</description>
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		<title>By: A Different Perspective &#187; Core Issue #3 - Why There&#8217;s an Emerging Church</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/core-issue-1-why-theres-an-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>A Different Perspective &#187; Core Issue #3 - Why There&#8217;s an Emerging Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is very similar to my Core Issue #1 post, so the structural analysis is much the same. If you haven&#8217;t read that, I reccommend you give that a look. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is very similar to my Core Issue #1 post, so the structural analysis is much the same. If you haven&#8217;t read that, I reccommend you give that a look. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Different Perspective &#187; Core Issue #2 - Why There&#8217;s an Emerging Church</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/core-issue-1-why-theres-an-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-566</link>
		<dc:creator>A Different Perspective &#187; Core Issue #2 - Why There&#8217;s an Emerging Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Core Issue #1 - Knowledge [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhartung.com/2005/10/core-issue-1-why-theres-an-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;many would find it difficult to fit in if they disagree with the ideas of the pros.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree 100% with that statement!  I&#039;m fairly active in my church (musician and youth leader) and I find that makes it even more difficult to ask questions, let alone disagree with the &quot;pros&quot;.  In the context of our youth group, I&#039;m the one that is supposed to have the answers.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like I have some hidden side of me that I&#039;m not allowed to show on Thursdays and Sundays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;many would find it difficult to fit in if they disagree with the ideas of the pros.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree 100% with that statement!  I&#8217;m fairly active in my church (musician and youth leader) and I find that makes it even more difficult to ask questions, let alone disagree with the &#8220;pros&#8221;.  In the context of our youth group, I&#8217;m the one that is supposed to have the answers.  </p>
<p>I feel like I have some hidden side of me that I&#8217;m not allowed to show on Thursdays and Sundays.</p>
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